Primetime is Now Business Meeting 10/26/2025
Logistics:
• 90 Minutes
• Zoom Host: Carrie
• Proxy: Dan, Holly, Megan, Dani & Julie in writing
• Timer: Helle – 3 minute shares
• Minutes: Janet
• Vote Counters: Janet
• Traditions: Atlanta
• Chat room and Unmute: Off
• Verbal Misconduct: Muted
Agenda:
• Open with Set Aside Prayer
• Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
• Presentation of Data Points
• Motions, Discussion & Voting
• Dan – Motion (Carrie proxy)
• Texas T – Motion
• Helle - Motion
• Close with Serenity Prayer
Minutes:
Carrie opened the meeting at 9:00 A.M. PT with the Set-Aside Prayer.
Carrie stated the format of the meeting (see logistics above).
Atlanta read the AA Twelve Traditions.
Carie reviewed key “Data Points” that lead to organizing this meeting:
• Feb 2025 Steering Committee (SC) met for last time
•Attempts made to dismantle 501(c)3 status
• March 2025 $8600+ transferred to SC appointed Treasurer – Treasurer collects money
to personal accounts
• Oct 1, 2025 Treasurer reports $4800 or so remains (after 6 mo of taking in contributions)
•Repeated asks for Treasurer’s Report
•No standard A.A. treasurer’s report submitted to SC or Members
•No A.A. contributions made (LA, San Fernando Valley or GSO)
• Late Sep 2025 Treasurer calls for additional contributions reporting spending outpaces
income
Members Present:
Atlanta Cathy Elizabeth H Johnny B Kathy H Lee Micky Sharon
Bettina Craig M Helle S Jules Karen S Marit Mike Sharon W
Bonnie Dan O Janet S Julian Kat K Mark E Murph Shayla
Caitlin Dani L John & Laura Julie S Laura A Mark R Nancy Stacy
Carrie Donna M John M Julie W Laurie Megan M Scott Texas T
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• Monthly Expenses $800:
•$90 or so current website for recordings storage
•$100 or so Zoom
•$600 upload recordings
Carrie reviewed AA Treasury and Reporting Traditions.
• Treasurers who uptake these responsibilities are regarded as the ‘Trusted Servants’ of
the group. They are chosen democratically by the group attendees.
• A.A. meetings run autonomously with little to no interference from the overall
organization except for Alcoholics Anonymous’ core principles, the Twelve Traditions.
• Treasurer Reports:
• Most groups request a treasurer’s report and all relevant documentation at
monthly or regularly scheduled business meetings. This way, all group members
can stay informed about the financial health of the group and make group
conscience decisions about how the funds should be spent.
• References:
• Who Runs AA Meetings? Alcoholics Anonymous Leadership Roles
• The A.A. Group Treasurer | Alcoholics Anonymous
Carrie shared member suggestions from 15+ members.
• Treasurers elected by members in democratic process
• Multiple Trusted Servants (Slate of 3) in this role for Checks and Balances MOTION -
DAN
• Standard A.A. Treasurer’s Report. (See Appendix A for example)
• Report issued to members regularly... Quarterly (?)
• Self Sustaining by our own contributions
• Expenditures approved by members MOTION HELLE
• Spending must not outpace contributions
• Stop paying for recording uploads
• $17/mo Website + Domain Name (Modern), Unlimited Storage + Simple
• $41 - $55 Zoom (Business Pro), two host keys 300 capacity
• Total Monthly Expenses $58 - $72
• Prudent Reserve approved by members MOTION - HELLE
• Donate remainder to A.A. GSO MOTION HELLE
Carrie stated we are currently on a zoom plan that is no longer necessary. We can get
adequate zoom needs for far less now.
Motion by Dan, second by Megan M.
I move that we, the members, elect by democratic process, a treasury team of this slate of 3
people for a two year term:
• Holly A (Carrie proxy)
• Sharon B
• Micky R
Discussion:
• Craig: You can’t have 3 different people from 3 different cities to manage the bank
account logistically. The website is the lifeblood of primetime and vital to people who
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don’t attend meetings. Craig is hurt and doesn’t like having his name dragged through
the mud. Craig posted on Facebook to provide visibility to the members. Craig has the
money. We decided on a fare rate for website maintenance. Website has content going
back to 1992. Feels he was voted in to do this role, with Jeff as a backup.
• Stacy: 1) Would all three of the proposed people have access to the bank account? 2)
bank accounts are difficult, but it is possible to have different people from different
places. 3) Do we have sobriety time for the proposed members — is it over 2 years?
• Dan’s response: Online banking supports different geographic locations. Length of
sobriety is not currently known, but he believes they have more than 2 years sobriety.
• Megan: Website is outdated and uninviting. Because it’s so old, that’s why it takes so
much time and technical expertise to maintain. She agrees with the three people
nominated because there should be checks and balances.
• Johnny B: Requested an amendment to remove the 3 names, so that in the spirit of the
motion the participants can choose who the people should be.
• Dan accepts and has removed the 3 names. Updated Motion:
Updated Motion:
I move that we, the members, elect by democratic process, a treasury team of this slate of 3
people for a two year term.
Discussion:
• Carrie: We need to identify the members during this meeting if the members are
removed from the motion.
• Texas T: There was a reason we dissolved the 501K status. It wasn’t a problem of Craig
handling the money, but more of a problem of creating the report. She trusts Craig.
Suggests that someone help Craig with the report and with making the donations to AA
orgs. She also wants to state that Berlin has donated to the GSO in California and
Primetime for the website. Berlin is supporting and involved.
• Laurie: Walking away with a treasury team may not be feasible. Doesn’t think Craig did
anything malevolent or fraudulent and suggests to move forward in a democratic way.
• Laura A: Glad for the meeting today. It was isheartening when the business meetings
stopped. Echoed questions about who nominated the people, ambitious agenda, okay
to slow down.
• Karen S: Believes in AA the people who are treasurers need to have employment.
• John & Laura: Also unfamiliar with the people nominated and we should be able to hear
from the people nominated before they are voted in. Expressed strong use of library in
the meetings in Burlingame.
• Johnny B: Point of order. A person may share twice on a motion. Discussion should
only be on the motion.
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• Murph: Without Craig, zoom meetings would not have happened. We should all
acknowledge and thank him. There must be and “opposed” option for any motion.
Question if this is really about Craig.
• Janet: The prior and current Primetime bank accounts were to geographically limiting.
Just as we need to update our website to newer technologies, we need to apply the
same modernization to the way we handling our banking.
• Micky: Reason why Sharon, Holly and I were in the motion is because we volunteered.
Supportive of being able to rotate treasurers and decisions being made.
• Cathy: Agrees that Craig is loyal, but supportive of the reasons why we had to have the
expanded discussion on what the direction will be.
• Texas T: She would like to bring a motion to keep Craig and provide help with the
paperwork.
• Stacy: Is the vote on the motions to be by a simple majority or a 2/3 vote to pass?
• Carrie: We don’t have existing bylaws to state if it is 51% or 2/3 and so we need to go
with simple majority.
• Kathy: No other motions should be made until the exiting motion is resolved.
• Laurie: Do we want to kill the motion? Is there opposition. She wants to support Texas
T’s motion.
• Donna M: Likes the motion. Just because we have the motion, doesn't mean we can’t
put Craig in as one of the members.
• Atlanta: A lot of expressed emotions, sounds like ego. Doesn’t matter who’s names are
involved. Service is not supposed to be personal.
Vote on Dan’s motion:
• In favor: 34 — 29 present and 5 by written proxy
• Opposed: 8
• Abstained: 6
• Johnny B: Point of order - a proxy holder has the write to change the vote.
• Johnny B: Another point of order — there should be discussion on both sides and
opportunity for the minority opinion.
• Carrie: Asked for opposing statements.
• Elizabeth H: This is the first time she has seen a motion for 3 treasurers. Seems to be an
extreme action. Typically we have a primary and alternate.
• Carrie: Asks if anyone wants to change vote.
• Shayla: Changed vote to abstained.
• Murph: Missed the vote. He abstains.
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• Atlanta: Every group is autonomous thus we can decide to have 3 treasurers.
Motion passed: 33 in favor, 8 opposed, 8 abstained.
Motion by Texas T, second by Elizabeth
I move that the Steering Committee should be rebuilt as having one member from each Zoom
group to represent and have them meet periodically.
Discussion:
• Kathy H: To clarify That the steering committee was handpicked and it was the general
business meeting where representative from all the zoom meetings participated.
• Helle S: I don’t see we need a steering committee. I don’t know what the function would
be. We were kept in the dark. The steering committee essentially blocked the
information from being shared with the general members. She trusts Craig, but doesn’t
agree with where the money was being spent. We don’t need a committee that doesn’t
step in for us. We just need a general business meeting quarterly.
• Julie W: Wants to amend the motion to clarify what one member of each group means.
Updated Motion:
Motion that the Steering Committee should be rebuilt using one member from each zoom
group, like a GSR, and have them meet however often they want to meet.
Discussion:
• Sharon: Believes we don’t need a steering committee, but rather members from all
groups moving forward. She has continually asked for meetings, reports on prudent
reserve and where money is going. Steering committee is not working as it is. Willing to
serve in whatever capacity. Primary purpose is to be here for others. Perhaps have
another motion to have just general business meetings with reports posted someplace
other than Facebook. We should not put our treasury reports on Facebook.
• Johnny B: Doesn’t like steering committees. The group need to get a say and this
motion negates that because of the size of the groups and the number of meetings.
General business meetings are more appropriate. He is in favor of the original motion.
• John M: Point of clarity — Steering committee being selected by one person. One
person came up with the idea and two people involved in selecting the original members.
• Atlanta: This is really about forming an intergroup. Different from the steering committee.
Disagree that primetime is a unique form of AA. We need to create a bigger service
structure, this is a sign of growth. These issues are not negative, but positive that we
have grown so big. She would vote against a steering committee.
• Texas T. Agreed and stated they have an intergroup in Berlin. Maybe what her motion is
that we form an intergroup that has a GSR representation from each group.
Updated Motion:
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I move that an intergroup be built by having one member from each AA Meeting Zoom group to
represent their AA meeting and have them meet periodically.
Discussion:
• Elizabeth: We are too hung up on terms of the name of what we are creating.
Intergroups service the general service office. Carry vote from the groups to the
intergroup.
• Janet: Clarified the original steering committee began with hand-selected members as a
starting point, but they were soon replaced with voted-in members.
• Mickey: Agree when steering committee started, there was some handpicking, and plan
to rotate out. But we never had participation enough to rotate. We wanted to get
Primetime more in line with how AA should work. We wanted to make sure the money
was going out based on group conscience. Nothing bad for Craig, but we need reports.
Steering committee didn’t meet it’s objectives.
• Murph: Question on if the in-person meetings are they involved in this. We can’t pick
and choose what Primetime covers as a whole. He shared a reading from AA material
that described how people are nominated to a steering committee. He also stated we
have trouble to get people to participate in our zoom meetings, the same people are
always doing the same things. Let alone get involvement in a steering committee.
• Carrie: The people that called this meeting was for one purpose so that everyone who
contributes can have a say in what happens to the money.
• Sharon W: Thanked those involved. We’ve been on the call for an hour and a half and
have moved away from the purpose for the meeting. Healthy discussion. We are
growing. We have yet to come to conclusion on how the money is going to be reported.
Handle first things first. 1) get a report 2) figure out when the report will be discussed
(frequency). That is our primary purpose for the meeting. We need to be grateful to
Craig. Then we can have another meeting about steering committee, website, etc. First
things first.
• Johnny B: Gentle reminder — it’s a giant deal that we are doing this. I’ve been in general
service and things move very slowly. When a motion is on the floor, the only thing that
should be discussed are pros and cons. This is not in stone. We can try and we can
change again. Baby steps.
• Carrie: Should we go to a vote on steering committee/intregroup?
• Texas T: Suggest we table the motion for further discussion, but still focus on the
financial details.
• Atlanta: Agree. Vote on one motion at a time. We are talking about a finance committee
now.
Motion by Helle, second by Micky
I move to have our treasury team operate according to the 12 Traditions of A.A.:
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1. Elected by democratic process by the members
2. Spend only on expenses approved in a democratic process by the members, not to exceed
our monthly contributions:
a. Storage Fees for current website $90-95 a month
b. Zoom Fees for current Zoom account $100-115 a month
3. Maintain a prudent reserve of no more than 3x our monthly expenses as approved by a
democratic process by the membership: $630
4. Send the recommended percentages of the balance remaining after prudent reserve to A.A.
(GSO and LA Central Office)
5. Issue a quarterly standard A.A. Treasury Report directly to the Members
Discussion
• Craig: Thank you for all the support. He made amends for letting emotions get in the
way. There has been transparency. Stated he posted screen shots of the bank account.
He had planned to set up a 7th tradition folder on the website to track reports. We were
in the process of discussing that with those involved from the prior steering committee.
He is on-board.
• Carrie: Clarified what kind of report the group is asking for.
• Texas T: Motion is pretty meaty. Maybe we should table this motion and take up at the
December 7 meeting.
• Helle S: Agrees it’s meaty. She wants to stop the bleeding of paying the $600. She
agrees to table.
Updated Motion:
I move to stop spending $800 a month and immediately spend only on Zoom and website
expenses of approximately $95 website and $115 Zoom and revisit Treasury discussion
December 7th.
Discussion
• Hella agrees with the updated motion.
• Mark R: Greet turnout. Member of steering committee from beginning. Agree with
Murph we have not gotten participation. Regarding donations to local (California)
groups, we cover a wide geographic region, so the money should not go local AA
organizations.
• Craig: Believes the website is the lifeblood and meeting recordings are used by many.
To cut out posting new meetings would keep us stagnant. Can’t listen to a missed
meeting if we don’t post. $50 an hour is reasonable to maintain — it’s the going rate.
People around the world contacting Craig about why recordings are not being posted.
• Texas T: Motion is not about discontinuing the recordings, it’s about not paying that
amount to maintain. She is asking if there are volunteers to help with the uploading.
• Carrie re-shared the Member suggestions slide. Not in favor of stopping the recordings.
No AA donations made to San Fernando valley from the $8600 in the Primetime account.
If we had a $17/month website we could have anyone at any skill level update the
content.
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• Texas T: Maybe we need a motion to have a new website that is cheeper, but should pay
until that happens. In favor of having a cheeper option when available.
• Carrie: Clarified the motion is not about stopping recording and not necessarily about
not uploading, but more about not paying for this work.
• Sharon: We are really talking about group expenses. Old website is costly. Question is if
we want to change that to be more inline with income. Agrees we should give money to
GSA. Person being paid to upload is like an employee, so it would be unfair to say we
will stop paying without giving some type of notice. Propose an update to the
amendment to include allowing for some notice to the person being paid.
Updated Motion:
I move to stop spending $800 a month and and spend only only on Zoom and website
expenses of approximately $95 website and $115 with one month’s notice to stop paying $600
a month to upload recordings and revisit Treasury discussion December 7th.
Discussion
• Elizabeth H: It should be to move to stop paying — not stop spending
Updated Motion:
I move to stop paying $800 a month to upload recordings and revisit Treasury discussion
December 7th.
Discussion
• Elizabeth: $800 is not really that much. We need to focus on solution.
• Helle S: Contributions have been down because we have been spending above our
means.
• Craig: Check your facts. Tim said it would be $25,000 to rewrite the website. The
$2150 was about getting the old recordings back up. He believes the recordings are the
heart-blood of primetime and what makes us great. Craig doesn’t feel we are begging for
money. In-person meetings are expensive also.
• Andy: Primetime is about right now — today. Not about yesterday or tomorrow. I love a
recording about what happened today. I don’t know about web design, but believes that
he would charge more. Believes the money will come. We are here to help each other,
love and support each other. Primetime has saved my life.
• Helle S: Stated we should table everything. She will withdraw the motion and table till
next meeting.
Vote to close the meeting. 16 in favor.
Craig lead the serenity prayer.
Meeting closed with 26 people still present.
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